Elegance in its simplicity, huh? Well said!!

One of the reasons I love Australia is its egalitarianism, mateship, belief in the fair go, tolerance, democaracy and stability. It is what sets Australia apart from nearly every other country including India.

To see these racial problems really lets me down.

The thuggery (an Indian word incidentally)and bashings seems really peculiar to the Indians whilst the Chinese and Vietnamese have more or less settled peacefully in Australia with Doctors and Lawyers for children. Proof that if they stick to it long engough and with hard work can gain respect, honour (such as people like Penny Wong, the Lord Mayor of Melbourne being two of many) The Greeks, the Italians, the Germans, the Afgan cameleers have all eventually settled in.

So why the thuggery? Firstly it must come from the uneducated of Australia and that will always be a problem.

Secondly, besides the dark skin of the Indians can the demeanour of some be contributing to the problem? A number a different people have commented as such to me.

Indian students in Australia, to even be here they must have come from very wealthy and privilged families. This means high cast, servants, moving in elite circles and so on. As a result, the arrogance and the up yourself demeanour we see in some Indians. This offends Australians quite a lot and might explain some of the problem.

I intend to quietly survey for any substance in my hypothesis.

And there it is. Asta la vista guys. Nice knowing you.

New Zealand, America and Britian huh? Yep, you’ll fit in much better over there (you do recognise sarcasm, don’t you?).

Interestingly to me, and I hope I’m wrong here, but when you guys say you pay 2.5 times what Aussies pay…. WHO do you pay this to? Direct to the school? Or to some Indian agent in India? Interesting… Even that article above mentions an Indian agent in India talking about “clients” which tends to imply you are paying him for something.

I was just reading an article on another site, about the lack of insurance for the education industry (insurance to pay back students who lose money when dodgy schools shut down).

“Foreign students… could be out of pocket hundreds of dollars… students would be placed in a new school within 28 days, but if unable to complete their studies before their visa expired they would have to pay for a new visa (hence the hundreds of dollars)…”

I’m sorry, I do feel sorry for you, but… the other side of my mind says “tough luck – people suffer bad luck in life – there is no 100% guarantee on anything”.

If I break my leg, I have to stay home, I will lose my salary, simple. If my dodgy company closes down I will lose my job, simple. There is no AUTOMATIC COMPENSATION. But I can choose to take personal income protection insurance to cover me in these situations – my choice.

Indians whinging about a few hundred dollars (in the context of the tens of thousands of dollars you pay for education) is pitiful in my mind. Sorry, but it’s how I feel. Get your own insurance for these things!

I am not responsible for the dodgy schools, so why should my tax dollars pay you? Just as, how would you feel if you had to pay for my broken leg and lost salary. It’s the same thing. When you say “government must pay” you are in fact saying **I** must pay.

Ahh, there’s no answers here, or anywhere else I guess.

Amit, are you saying my insurance won’t pay me if I am attacked in India?? Well, yes they will! The Indian government doesn’t need to pay me anything – and in fact, they won’t. If I am stupid enough to get into legal trouble in India (off topic here I know) then I can approach the AUSTRALIAN Consulate there and plead stupidity and hope they help – but the INDIAN government owes me nothing. And I wouldn’t expect anything. And if my wallet is stolen, as long as I report it to Indian police (whether or not they do anything is irrelevant) then my insurance company will pay me for that too.

AND if my travel company is dodgy (akin to your schools) and I lose money my insurance will pay for that too!!

Anyway, all this is off topic. All I want is for Indians in Australia to benefit from, and enjoy the same quality of life I do. Despite my rantings, I do sincerely mean that.

But, your problems are not all our fault – that is my point. NO OTHER RACE here has these problems – only Indians. Can you not see that?

However, I’m not going to get in to a point-counterpoint argument with you, except to say:

1) “Damages” here is legal concept. If you have suffered damages then sue someone and get some money. Simple.

2) Your last point is the most controversial. “Aussie GOVT didn’t even pay for the treatment of those attacked..”. Why can’t you understand, you are no different to me!!!! What gives you (Indians in general here, not Amit) the right to demand this? If **I** was attacked here, the government would not compensate me or pay for my treatment. Why are you different? Or rather, why do you **think** you are different?

I think this is the point I’ve been trying to make all along. Banging my head against the wall trying to make myself clear.

This is not India – you can’t just throw money at someone and demand in return. Sorry, it don’t work that way.

John seems to have some kind of deep grudge against the Indians as he doesn’t specify and explain what extra things do Indians demand from Australia? AFIK, they demand nothing more than fair treatment and respect and security to their lives which would make them feel welcome and reassured in Oz.
But John is right about cribbing over fees. There are a lot of factors that goes in deciding ones fee structure – academics, experience etc. But again, I suspect foul play with Australian commercialized universities, who I believe, are not fair enough.
“About re-consider your times” – surely they need to, but not without claiming all the damages they have suffered by choosing such a biased country. This isnt about ego, feelings or nationalism – It is just a part of an international trade relationship gone wrong wherein the students didn’t get what they deserved and hence they need to be compensated and their damages paid for.
AFIK, the Aussie gov didn’t even pay for the treatment of Indians who were attacked. It cant get more ridiculous than this.

It’s not that you’re hard working, we all know that. That isn’t the problem. It’s not that you can’t speak proper English (your term, not mine), nobody expects that. As you correctly say Europeans get away with not speaking proper English.

So, what is it? What makes us bash you guys (well, not me personally, but you know what I mean)???

Back to your post above: you seem to DEMAND special treatment here – nobody gets more than anybody in Australia. We have no time for people who demand this and that. The Greek and Italian shop owners (your term) don’t demand things – they just fit in with life here.

I’ve said this before, but if you (Indians) took a good hard look at yourselves, and your shortcomings (and no, I’m definitely not saying Australians are perfect – far from it) you might suddenly start to see what all the fuss is about. Change your attitude! Go look up “you catch more flies with honey” in your dictionary. REALLY think about that idiom.

Oh, and for the record, you don’t pay 2.5 times what I pay. I believe it’s about 20% higher – and no, I don’t know why that is. But, WHATEVER it is, “it is” – get over it!! It doesn’t entitle you to ANYTHING WHATSOEVER. And if you can’t get that idea through your collective minds, perhaps you (all) should re-consider your times here.