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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Timbo
             Whatever u said,as  a true indian i agreed.Everyone is pin pointin others.Crime is everywhere around the world.So we should fight with crime ,not with each other.Those people whor r attackin someone for no reasons, they should be punished and also we hate indian media too.They make their own perception to increase TRP .I have same respect for australia and india.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Timbo<br />
             Whatever u said,as  a true indian i agreed.Everyone is pin pointin others.Crime is everywhere around the world.So we should fight with crime ,not with each other.Those people whor r attackin someone for no reasons, they should be punished and also we hate indian media too.They make their own perception to increase TRP .I have same respect for australia and india.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Sydney the Indians complained about being picked on by Lebanese (nothing to do with Aussies) - and in Melbourne, it seems that many of the attckers were from a variety of racial backgrounds -- but of course the paranoid &amp; racist Indian media ignore all of that so they can stoke up hatred against white people. My favourite quote from the Times of India: 

&quot;There is a lot of jeolousy towards Indians because they acquire the best jobs and show a commitment to work and family that Australians rarely show&quot; -- So, Indian people are superior to us it seems... smells like racism to me. As for the best jobs, most Indians in Sydney seem to work as cab drivers, in small shops and in Petrol stations - and good on them, somebody has to - but the &quot;best jobs&quot; ?????
But I am just a jelous white guy with no commitment to anything - so what do I know!

Loads of Australians have been murdered in India - about 1 a year, almost an entire family in 1999, 
some poor girl in 2008:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/02/05/1202090368574.html
Dawn Emilie Griggs, raped and murdered in 2004, some guy beaten to death in Goa in 2008 - and that&#039;s only ones that I know of, there&#039;s also been rapes:
http://expressbuzz.com/States/Karnataka/australian-tourist-raped-near-gokarna/47928.html
If anybody actually bothered to do a study, I am sure they would find that Australians are at greater risk in India than visa-versa - but nobody bothers, because it&#039;s all media hype in India.

Indians are really sensitive about &quot;racism&quot; and yet they are blind to it amongst themselves.

Many Indians are racist too. Lets face it:

In Bollywood movies all foreigners (African, white or Chinese) are always shown as crooks, or with loose morals, or as facists, or drunks, or plain stupid. One muscular African actor lives full time in Bombay - the only parts he gets are those of criminals! I had a couple of roles in Indian movies and TV - but I stopped doing it when I began to think about what I was being asked to portray as a foreigner. 

What about the caste system?

There is systematic mistreatment of tourists (other races pay more to see all historic attractions, whereas anybody that looks Indian pays next to nothing). Few tourists come back from India without stories about being mistreated - ask any female traveler there about the groping that goes on!

99% of Indian families living outside India would go nuts if a memeber of their family were to marry outside their racial group.

Oriental-looking students (of non Indian appearnace) from the fringes of India, states like Manipur, Nagaland, who go to the big cities to study, often report being severely bullied. 

Really, I think many Indians should stop being so &quot;precious&quot; and paranoid, not to mention hypocritical. 

I like India by the way and have Indian friends -- but can&#039;t we just be honest with each other???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Sydney the Indians complained about being picked on by Lebanese (nothing to do with Aussies) &#8211; and in Melbourne, it seems that many of the attckers were from a variety of racial backgrounds &#8212; but of course the paranoid &amp; racist Indian media ignore all of that so they can stoke up hatred against white people. My favourite quote from the Times of India: </p>
<p>&#8220;There is a lot of jeolousy towards Indians because they acquire the best jobs and show a commitment to work and family that Australians rarely show&#8221; &#8212; So, Indian people are superior to us it seems&#8230; smells like racism to me. As for the best jobs, most Indians in Sydney seem to work as cab drivers, in small shops and in Petrol stations &#8211; and good on them, somebody has to &#8211; but the &#8220;best jobs&#8221; ?????<br />
But I am just a jelous white guy with no commitment to anything &#8211; so what do I know!</p>
<p>Loads of Australians have been murdered in India &#8211; about 1 a year, almost an entire family in 1999,<br />
some poor girl in 2008:<br />
<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/02/05/1202090368574.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/02/05/1202090368574.html</a><br />
Dawn Emilie Griggs, raped and murdered in 2004, some guy beaten to death in Goa in 2008 &#8211; and that&#8217;s only ones that I know of, there&#8217;s also been rapes:<br />
<a href="http://expressbuzz.com/States/Karnataka/australian-tourist-raped-near-gokarna/47928.html" rel="nofollow">http://expressbuzz.com/States/Karnataka/australian-tourist-raped-near-gokarna/47928.html</a><br />
If anybody actually bothered to do a study, I am sure they would find that Australians are at greater risk in India than visa-versa &#8211; but nobody bothers, because it&#8217;s all media hype in India.</p>
<p>Indians are really sensitive about &#8220;racism&#8221; and yet they are blind to it amongst themselves.</p>
<p>Many Indians are racist too. Lets face it:</p>
<p>In Bollywood movies all foreigners (African, white or Chinese) are always shown as crooks, or with loose morals, or as facists, or drunks, or plain stupid. One muscular African actor lives full time in Bombay &#8211; the only parts he gets are those of criminals! I had a couple of roles in Indian movies and TV &#8211; but I stopped doing it when I began to think about what I was being asked to portray as a foreigner. </p>
<p>What about the caste system?</p>
<p>There is systematic mistreatment of tourists (other races pay more to see all historic attractions, whereas anybody that looks Indian pays next to nothing). Few tourists come back from India without stories about being mistreated &#8211; ask any female traveler there about the groping that goes on!</p>
<p>99% of Indian families living outside India would go nuts if a memeber of their family were to marry outside their racial group.</p>
<p>Oriental-looking students (of non Indian appearnace) from the fringes of India, states like Manipur, Nagaland, who go to the big cities to study, often report being severely bullied. </p>
<p>Really, I think many Indians should stop being so &#8220;precious&#8221; and paranoid, not to mention hypocritical. </p>
<p>I like India by the way and have Indian friends &#8212; but can&#8217;t we just be honest with each other???</p>
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		<title>By: onetouchpal</title>
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		<dc:creator>onetouchpal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone cheerup,live ur life and lets not decide which country/race is better rather lets decide which human is better.
we should learn how to save ourself from these attacks whether racial/opportunistic.rather than waiting for ensue and commenting on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone cheerup,live ur life and lets not decide which country/race is better rather lets decide which human is better.<br />
we should learn how to save ourself from these attacks whether racial/opportunistic.rather than waiting for ensue and commenting on it.</p>
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		<title>By: singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>australia is a wonderful country n i respect n love dis country but on the other i bcom sad when indian r attacked for no reason n i think of attacking back n im sure u(australians) vil soon c the other face of hard workin indians as v all know australians r not brave as it has been proved in sydney riots so jus wait for future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>australia is a wonderful country n i respect n love dis country but on the other i bcom sad when indian r attacked for no reason n i think of attacking back n im sure u(australians) vil soon c the other face of hard workin indians as v all know australians r not brave as it has been proved in sydney riots so jus wait for future</p>
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		<title>By: Ger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not to sure about this. I thought the racism thing could be solved by looking at attacks on the students and the 1.2% of australians who are geneticly indian and the remainder of the population who are not indians.

I have come up so far with an expected 6.6 murders of indian students per year to match the australian average. I am not sure there have even been 6.6 murders - calculations below

Expected Homicide Rate of Indian Students
An expected homicide rate for the Indian student population would be a maximum of 6.6 Males 20-30 if no persecution of Indian students was occurring.

General population Australia 1.2 murders per 100000(2008) - estimated 2009 1.3 per 100,000.www.abs.gov.au
This is approximately half the murder rate per 100,000 of India http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Males 15-30 make up 25% of murder victims in Australia and 8% of the population (2008) - estimated murder rate 4.4 per 100,000 http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3235.0~2008~Main+Features~Main+Features?OpenDocument#PARALINK6

Expected murder rate of Male Indian students aged 20-30 would be = 4.4 * .75 = 3.3 killed per year (assuming males 20-30 make up 75% of the student population or 75,000) 

the above figures allow for no influencing factors. Cities / Poor neighborhoods / Working and traveling late at night would be influencing factors. Assume this doubles the risk of murder then at a maximum you would still only expect 6.6 Male 20-30 year old Indian students to be murdered per year.

There xx Indian students 20-30 murdered in Australia in 2009?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not to sure about this. I thought the racism thing could be solved by looking at attacks on the students and the 1.2% of australians who are geneticly indian and the remainder of the population who are not indians.</p>
<p>I have come up so far with an expected 6.6 murders of indian students per year to match the australian average. I am not sure there have even been 6.6 murders &#8211; calculations below</p>
<p>Expected Homicide Rate of Indian Students<br />
An expected homicide rate for the Indian student population would be a maximum of 6.6 Males 20-30 if no persecution of Indian students was occurring.</p>
<p>General population Australia 1.2 murders per 100000(2008) &#8211; estimated 2009 1.3 per 100,000.www.abs.gov.au<br />
This is approximately half the murder rate per 100,000 of India <a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita</a><br />
Males 15-30 make up 25% of murder victims in Australia and 8% of the population (2008) &#8211; estimated murder rate 4.4 per 100,000 <a href="http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3235.0~2008~Main+Features~Main+Features?OpenDocument#PARALINK6" rel="nofollow">http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3235.0~2008~Main+Features~Main+Features?OpenDocument#PARALINK6</a></p>
<p>Expected murder rate of Male Indian students aged 20-30 would be = 4.4 * .75 = 3.3 killed per year (assuming males 20-30 make up 75% of the student population or 75,000) </p>
<p>the above figures allow for no influencing factors. Cities / Poor neighborhoods / Working and traveling late at night would be influencing factors. Assume this doubles the risk of murder then at a maximum you would still only expect 6.6 Male 20-30 year old Indian students to be murdered per year.</p>
<p>There xx Indian students 20-30 murdered in Australia in 2009?</p>
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		<title>By: G George</title>
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		<dc:creator>G George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hai David, you must be having a laugh mate... Aussies are racist and that is it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hai David, you must be having a laugh mate&#8230; Aussies are racist and that is it</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Felicetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Felicetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the most shameful things I have ever heard of in my city.  I am a proud Melbournian and this makes me wonder if my city is truly as great as I think it is.  I have always thought it is one of the most progressive cities in the world, now I just don&#039;t know.  How could this have happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most shameful things I have ever heard of in my city.  I am a proud Melbournian and this makes me wonder if my city is truly as great as I think it is.  I have always thought it is one of the most progressive cities in the world, now I just don&#8217;t know.  How could this have happened?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mani, WHO speaks in favour of &quot;druggies and worthless people&quot;? Do you not read newspapers here (other than when it says &quot;Indian&quot; and &quot;Racist Attack&quot; in one sentence) and participate in society? Obviously not, because if you did you would realise that street crime fueled by drugs and alcohol is a huge concern in Melbourne of late. Everyone is worried about it. I have never seen anyone or any news speaking in favour of this. (Note I said huge concern, not huge problem).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mani, WHO speaks in favour of &#8220;druggies and worthless people&#8221;? Do you not read newspapers here (other than when it says &#8220;Indian&#8221; and &#8220;Racist Attack&#8221; in one sentence) and participate in society? Obviously not, because if you did you would realise that street crime fueled by drugs and alcohol is a huge concern in Melbourne of late. Everyone is worried about it. I have never seen anyone or any news speaking in favour of this. (Note I said huge concern, not huge problem).</p>
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		<title>By: Mani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fellows

I am an Indian and living here for 6 yrs now. i have come across many beautiful and warm , friendly australians , turkish, greeks, italians and asians.Its a multi cultural country and few groups of teenagers and druggies don&#039;t represent the whole country in itself and thats what i believe. But some people speak in favour of these drugies and worthless people who rob and steal who don&#039;t work hard, homeless and shame to this country that represents racism.Racism is in every country but beating and killing people shows animal instinct, lower standard with lower mentally.And people who justify their ACT are more dangerous people in the society.I have deep respect for people who are welcoming and kind hearted but i won&#039;t Hate those disgraceful people who justify these criminal attacks . i would say they really need help and need to get a life. i don&#039;t have time to hate anybody as i have a life to enjoy. 
cheers and enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fellows</p>
<p>I am an Indian and living here for 6 yrs now. i have come across many beautiful and warm , friendly australians , turkish, greeks, italians and asians.Its a multi cultural country and few groups of teenagers and druggies don&#8217;t represent the whole country in itself and thats what i believe. But some people speak in favour of these drugies and worthless people who rob and steal who don&#8217;t work hard, homeless and shame to this country that represents racism.Racism is in every country but beating and killing people shows animal instinct, lower standard with lower mentally.And people who justify their ACT are more dangerous people in the society.I have deep respect for people who are welcoming and kind hearted but i won&#8217;t Hate those disgraceful people who justify these criminal attacks . i would say they really need help and need to get a life. i don&#8217;t have time to hate anybody as i have a life to enjoy.<br />
cheers and enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the article at the top of this thread, how on earth is that racial?

These attacks happen all of the time and ONLY when it happens to an Indian is it racial. If the Ambo&#039;s had not bothered to turn up at the station and treat him because he was Indian then that would be racialist. Being attacked for your phone, cigarettes and money IS NOT.

When media write reports like this it just creates the impression of racialism that wasn&#039;t there at the time. How do we know the victim wasn&#039;t attacked by Indians? (maybe we could have if the video was working)

I&#039;m fed up of people reading racialism into situations where it clearly isn&#039;t the case. I&#039;m an immigrant and I get called a &#039;Pommie B******&#039; ALL of the time and do I bleat about it, no I laugh along and get along with life.

Get real or get lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the article at the top of this thread, how on earth is that racial?</p>
<p>These attacks happen all of the time and ONLY when it happens to an Indian is it racial. If the Ambo&#8217;s had not bothered to turn up at the station and treat him because he was Indian then that would be racialist. Being attacked for your phone, cigarettes and money IS NOT.</p>
<p>When media write reports like this it just creates the impression of racialism that wasn&#8217;t there at the time. How do we know the victim wasn&#8217;t attacked by Indians? (maybe we could have if the video was working)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fed up of people reading racialism into situations where it clearly isn&#8217;t the case. I&#8217;m an immigrant and I get called a &#8216;Pommie B******&#8217; ALL of the time and do I bleat about it, no I laugh along and get along with life.</p>
<p>Get real or get lost.</p>
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